无神论者 - 波兰Heavy / Thrash Metal乐队No Mästers专访

今天采访到的是来自波兰的Heavy / Thrash Metal乐队No Mästers，这支由Jan一个人创建的项目，在组建No Mästers之前，Jan在一支名为The Avengers的乐队担任吉他手，但是由于这支乐队一些原因导致解散，所以Jan决定自己开始创作音乐，于是No Mästers成立，目前Jan也一直在寻找其他的乐手加入乐队，让No Mästers成为一支完整的乐队，今年No Mästers刚刚发布了同名专辑，这也是该项目的第一张正式专辑，No Mästers深受Old School的风格影响，朗朗上口的旋律，优美的旋律和精彩的Solo，强硬如同剃刀般的Thrash Metal，让这张专辑非常的精彩，可以感受到Jan对于这种风格的把控非常精准，在新专辑发行之际杂志与Jan取得联系进行了一次专访！

（V: 代表笔者 J: 代表Jan）

Today, we are interviewing No Mästers, a heavy/thrash metal band from Poland. This project was founded by Jan as a solo endeavor; prior to this, he had served as the guitarist for a band called The Avengers. After that group disbanded, Jan decided to strike out on his own and create music, leading to the formation of No Mästers. He is currently seeking other musicians to join the project and transform it into a full-fledged band. No Mästers recently released a self-titled album—the project's first official full-length release. Heavily influenced by the "old school" sound, the album is a standout effort featuring catchy hooks, beautiful melodies, brilliant guitar solos, and razor-sharp thrash metal intensity. It is evident that Jan has a precise command of this genre. To mark the release of the new album, we reached out to Jan for an exclusive interview.

(V: Interviewer | J: Jan)

采访对象：Jan（No Mästers乐队创始人）

采访时间：2026.10.13

V: 你好，Jan Bartoszewicz。很高兴见到你，也非常感谢你接受这次采访——我想这应该是你的乐队第一次接受中国杂志的采访吧。首先向所有的中国乐迷打个招呼。No Mästers是在哪一年成立的？当初是什么促使你组建这支乐队的？“No Mästers”这个名字有什么特别的含义吗？

Hello, Jan Bartoszewicz. It’s a pleasure to meet you, and thank you very much for taking part in this interview—I believe this is the first time your band has been interviewed by a Chinese magazine. To start things off, please say hello to all your Chinese fans. In which year was No Mästers formed, and what inspired you to start the band? Does the name "No Mästers" hold any specific meaning?

J: 嗨！这也是我的第一次采访，能接受采访是我的荣幸。向Volcano杂志的所有读者问好！我在中国有乐迷吗？我真不知道。严格来说，No Mästers并不算是一支正式组建的乐队。我目前正在寻找乐手，希望能把这个项目变成一支真正的乐队。这个项目算是我应对过去那支乐队解散的一种方式——我曾在2011年到2017年间担任The Avengers乐队的主音吉他手。我们当时很有潜力，但最终没能走下去，因为乐队内部积累了太多的怨气和个人矛盾。分道扬镳后，我决定独自继续做音乐，主要原因也是因为我们的大部分作品本来就是我写的。“No Mästers”这个名字的出现有些顺其自然。在写出"No Masters"这首歌的歌词之前，我根本不知道该给整个项目起什么名字，而且我也试着接受这种不确定性。我觉得这是一个很好的名字，因为金属乐的核心一直都是反叛。没有什么比“噢，这就够好了，何必费劲去改变什么”这种心态更糟糕的了！你应该时刻挑战周遭的现实，至少尝试去创造一些比被强加给你的事物更好的东西。

Hi! It is also my very first interview, pleasure is all mine. Greetings to all Volcano Magazine's readers! Do I have fans in China? I have no idea. No Mästers isn't really formed, technically. I'm currently looking for musicians to make this project a proper band. This project is kind of my way of coping with the breakup of a band I used to play in back in a day - The Avengers, where I played lead guitar between 2011 and 2017. We had some potential, but it wasn't meant to be, because of growing resentment and personal conflicts within the band. After we parted ways, I decided to keep working on music on my own, mostly because most of our material was mine anyway. The name No Mästers came up somewhat on its own. Until I wrote the lyrics to the song "No Masters", I had no idea what the whole thing should be called, and I tried to be ok with that. I think it's just a good name because metal has always been about rebellion. There is nothing worse than saying "oh, it's good enough, why bother changing anything"! You should always challenge the reality that surrounds you and at least try to do something better than what has been imposed upon you.

V: 既然你是一支“一人乐队”，创作过程肯定方便得多——你可以完全按照自己的构想来写歌。能跟我们聊聊这张专辑的制作过程吗？

Since you are a one-man band, the creative process is much more convenient—you can write songs entirely according to your own vision. Could you tell us a bit about the making of this album?

J: 我不知道这算不算更方便……在花了无数时间摸索如何录音和混音、好让声音不至于像屎一样难听之后，我当时对自己说：“再也不干这种事了！”独自演奏所有乐器（除了鼓）简直是一场噩梦，因为我不仅得学会弹贝斯和唱歌，还得搞懂怎么把这些声音录下来！但我这人就是个倔脾气，还是咬牙坚持了下来。不过话说回来，现在的条件比以前好多了，谁都能学会这些。

除此之外，在2023年到2025年这段时间——也就是所有乐器轨道录完、但还没录人声的空档期——我经历了一段极其糟糕、简直像地狱一样的日子。2023年夏天，我母亲被诊断出患有癌症，并于2024年除夕夜去世；那年晚些时候，我姐姐也离世了；雪上加霜的是，我的本职工作也变得极其繁重，工时长得离谱。这一切让我无暇顾及专辑的收尾工作，甚至一度让我觉得这辈子都完不成它了。多亏了我妻子给予我无尽的支持，我才得以重新开始练习并最终录制了人声部分。

I don't know if it's more convenient... After countless hours of trying to figure out how to do recording and mixing in a way that it doesn't sound like shit, I told myself "Never again!". Playing all the instruments (except drums) was a nightmare, because not only did I had to learn how to play bass and how to sing - I had to know how to record that! Being the stubborn cunt that I am, I kept on going. Nonetheless, it's much easier now than it has been ever before. Anyone can learn it. Other than that, between 2023 and 2025, so after all of the instrument tracks were done, but before recording the vocals, I had an absolute cunt of a year and a half. In summer 2023 my mom was diagnosed with cancer and passed away on New Year's Eve 2024; later that year my sister has also died and, on top of that, I started having crazy work hours at my day job. All of this threw me off from finishing the album, to the point where I started to think that I was never gonna make it. Only thanks to my wife and her bottomless support I was able to go back to rehearsing my vocals and then record them.

V: 这张专辑的录音质量堪称完美。请问是在哪家录音室制作的，还是完全由你个人独立制作的？

The recording quality of this album is truly impeccable. At which studio was it produced, or was it entirely a solo production of yours?

J: 谢谢，你过奖了。我喜欢把那个地方称为“7A录音室”（7A Studios），尽管令我遗憾的是，它从未真正成为一家专业的录音室。这个名字里的数字和字母，其实源自一位老嬉皮士的家庭住址——就是他把排练室租给了我们（当时我们的乐队叫“复仇者”/The Avengers）。虽然我以前的乐队成员都离开了，但设备还留在那里，落满了灰尘。那是个充满魔力的地方。因为它位于弗罗茨瓦夫郊外，透过窗户就能看到草地和树林。嬉皮士Mirek和妻子住在一栋平房里，但他同时还在旁边盖另一栋房子——我们的房间就在那里，布置得像个专业录音室一样。那栋房子他始终没能完工，因为他和妻子把大部分的家庭预算都花在了啤酒和烈酒上。顺便提一句，他最后就是死于酗酒。这真是一个悲伤的故事——那首"Falling Man"其实就是写他的。孩子们，喝酒要适度啊！说起来，这篇访谈里还真提到了不少人的离世。

Thank you, you're very kind. I like to call that place "7A Studios", though, to my disappointment, it has never become a professional studio. The number and the letter refers to the actual home address of a guy, an old hippie, who rented us ( then, The Avengers) a rehearsal room. My former bandmates may have left, but the gear was still there, collecting dust. It was a magical place. Because it was located in the outskirts of Wroclaw, you could see a meadow and a forest through the window. Mirek, the hippie, lived with his wife in a one-story house, but he was also building another one next to it, where our room was, set up and arranged like a pro studio. He could never finish that building, because he and his wife were spending most of their home budget on beer and booze. Drinking killed him, by the way. It's a sad story - the song "Falling Man" is actually about him. Kids, drink responsibly! Lots of deaths in this interview, actually.

V: 你们乐队的标志设计非常简洁，但这正是我个人最喜欢的风格，因为它让乐队名字很容易被记住——是谁为你们设计的这个标志？你们的专辑封面设计极具创意——画面描绘了一个天使或恶魔从高楼坠落的场景——这幅作品是谁设计的？

Your band's logo design is very simple, but that is the style I personally like best because it makes your name easy to remember—who designed the logo for you? Your album artwork is truly creative—featuring an angel or a demon plummeting from a high-rise building—who designed that piece?

J: 故事是这样的：1945年之前，弗罗茨瓦夫曾是一座德国城市。二战结束后，由于边界变动，德国人被迫向西迁离，但他们留下了各种各样的遗留物品。我在一本关于20世纪40年代西里西亚自然风光的画册中发现了一种名为“Tannenberg”的字体，觉得它很适合作为乐队标志。专辑封面是由波兰杰出画家Irmina Barkowska创作的——你真该去看看她的Instagram页面，作品简直太惊艳了。那个坠落的身影其实是Lucifer，他被从……世贸中心大楼上打落凡间。至于原因嘛？我问过的每个人都有自己的解读，而这正是我想要的效果。

Here's the story - before 1945 Wroclaw was a German city. After the end of WWII the Germans got kicked out West, because the borders changed. But they left a lot of memorabilia of all sorts. I found this font, it's called "tannenberg", in an art album about the beauty of nature in Silesia from 1940s, and I thought it would make a good band logo design. The album artwork was created by Irmina Barkowska, an excellent Polish painter - you should check out her Instagram page, it's nuts. That falling figure is actually Lucifer, cast down to Earth... from the WTC building. Why? Every person I ask has their own answer, which is what I was going for.

V: 你们音乐的主题是什么？为什么选择这个主题？你们希望通过它表达什么？歌词也是由你创作的——背后的灵感来源是什么？

What is the theme of your music? Why did you choose this theme, and what do you wish to express through it? You also wrote the lyrics—what was the inspiration behind them?

J: 我创作的内容包罗万象，主要关注当今时代那些让我感到不安的事物。在观看了Leni Riefenstahl1935年拍摄的宣传片"Triumph of the Will"之后，我创作了"No Masters"这首歌；它探讨了权力的暴力本质。"Zeitgeist"探讨的是身处道德颠倒与虚伪盛行时代的感受；而"Hellride"则是一首非常私人的作品，讲述了与抑郁症抗争的经历。大致就是这些了——至于其他歌曲，“作者”究竟意欲何为，就留给听众自己去解读吧！我认为，这正是任何歌曲的魅力所在。

I write about all sorts of things, mostly what I find disturbing living in today's day and age. I wrote "No Masters" after seeing Leni Riefenstahl's 1935 propaganda movie "Triumph of the Will". That song explores the violent nature of power. "Zeitgeist" is about living in the times of inverted ethics and hypocrisy, "Hellride" on the other hand, is a personal text, about one's fight with depression. That's about it - go and figure on your on, what "the author" had in mind for the rest of them! I think, that's the beauty of any song.

V: 你们的首张专辑目前已发行数字版；是否有计划发行CD或其他格式的版本？你联系过唱片公司了吗？我知道波兰有很多优秀的厂牌。

Your debut album has currently been released digitally; do you have any plans to release it on CD or in other formats? Have you been in touch with any record labels yet? I know there are many excellent labels in Poland.

J: 我正在着手发行一张CD，希望能赶在今年年底前推出，届时会在我的Bandcamp页面上架。目前我还没考虑过与唱片公司合作，不过如果有厂牌感兴趣，欢迎随时联系我！我向来乐于尝试新的体验。

I'm making steps towards releasing a CD, hopefully before the end of this year, which will be available on my Bandcamp. Haven't thought about adding a record label to the mix, so far. But if any of them are interested in working together, hit me up! I'm always open to new experiences.

V: 首先，恭喜你今年发行了首张专辑"No Mästers"。这张专辑深受传统重金属和激流金属的影响，包含了快速精准的吉他Riff、旋律优美的乐段以及精彩绝伦的Solo；人们能真切感受到你倾注其中的心血与投入。你自己对这张专辑有何看法？

First of all, congratulations on the release of your debut album, No Mästers, this year. The album is deeply influenced by traditional heavy metal and thrash metal, featuring fast, precise riffs, melodic passages, and brilliant guitar solos; one can really sense the care and dedication you poured into it. What are your own thoughts on the album?

J: 再次感谢你的好意。但坦白说，我现在已经听不下去这张专辑了。我想，当你把同一段音乐听上几百遍，反复调整那些除了你自己之外没人能听出来的细节时，这种情况在所难免。独自创作音乐有一个巨大的弊端：有时你会钻牛角尖，却没有人能把你从“幻想世界”里拉出来，给你一些客观的视角。如果能重来一次，我会至少找一位乐手参与创作过程。不过你知道，我们难免都会做些傻事。我很高兴这就是我做的那件“傻事”。

Thank you once again for your kindness. But frankly, I can't stand listening to it anymore. I guess it sometimes happens when you listen to one thing hundreds of times, tweaking some details that no one, except you, will ever hear. There is a huge disadvantage of creating music alone. Sometimes you just get fixated and you have nobody to pull you out from your "dreamland" and give you some perspective. If I could do one thing differently, I'd engage at least one other musician in the creative process. But you know, we all do dumb things every now and then. I'm glad this is my "dumb thing".

V: 哪些乐队对你产生了影响？能列举一些你喜欢的乐队吗？你之前参加过其他乐队吗？

Which bands have influenced you? Could you name some of the bands you like? Have you played in any other bands before?

J: 我听过很多乐队和音乐人的作品，从Chuck Berry、Sex Pistols、Black Sabbath、Motörhead、Testament、Slayer、Kyuss，一直到Morbid Angel、Bathory、Atheist和Vader——这只是其中一些大牌乐队。说到波兰乐队，我最喜欢的是Kat——你应该去听听看，他们是传奇级的乐队。但我心目中永远的最爱还是Slayer。我喜欢的每一支乐队都在我身上留下了印记。有时我一觉醒来，脑海中就会浮现出一个很棒的连复段；只要确定以前没听过这个旋律，我就会把它拿来写成新歌！我并不打算“重新发明轮子”（去搞什么前所未有的创新），我只想尽我所能去演奏我热爱的音乐。

I listen to a lot of bands and musicians, from Chuck Berry, through Sex Pistols, Black Sabbath, Motörhead, Testament, Slayer, Kyuss, to Morbid Angel, Bathory, Atheist, and Vader, to name a few of the biggest. When it comes to Polish bands my favorite one is Kat - you should check them out, they are legends. But my all time favorite is and always will be Slayer.

Every band I like leaves its part in me. Sometimes I just wake up with a cool riff in my head and when I can be sure I haven't heard that before - I take it and write a new song! I'm not going for reinventing the wheel here, but I'd rather try to play the music I love the best I can.

V: 除了计划在 2026 年发行首张专辑外，你还有什么其他的新计划吗？是否已经开始构思下一张专辑了？

Apart from releasing your first album in 2026, what other new projects do you have lined up? Have you started conceptualizing your next album yet?

J: 正如我之前所说，我计划发行"No Mästers"的CD版本。同时，我也在创作许多新歌。No Mästers的新专辑风格会更迅猛、更具攻击性，但依然保留着浓厚的摇滚乐律动感。希望我能顺利组建好乐队，也期待大家很快能听到我们的消息。感谢邀请，干杯！

As I said before, I'm aiming to release "No Mästers" on CD. I'm also writing a lot of new songs. The new No Mästers album will be faster and more aggressive, but with a lot of a rock'n'roll drive. Wish me luck in completing the band and hopefully you'll hear about us soon. Thanks for having me, cheers!

No Mästers乐队主要作品：

No Mästers - No Mästers（2026）

No Mästers乐队官方Bandcamp网站：https://nmstrs.bandcamp.com/album/no-m-sters

No Mästers乐队官方Facebook网站：https://www.facebook.com/nmstrs

No Mästers乐队官方YouTube网站：https://www.youtube.com/@nmstrs

No Mästers乐队官方Instagram网站：https://www.instagram.com/nmstrs.official/