电所有人 - 芬兰Symphonic Black Metal / Industrial / Electronic Metal乐队. . .And Oceans专访

Volcano Magazine
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今天采访到的是来自芬兰的Symphonic Black Metal乐队...and Oceans。乐队于1996年成立，自建立之初...and Oceans就在尝试将不同的元素与Black Mtal相融合。在2001年"A.M.G.O.D."专辑中，...and Oceans开始在音乐中加入电子元素，创造出了属于他们的独一无二的声音。2005年，...and Oceans乐队解散，成员重组为Haovc Unit乐队并于2008年发行唯一一张全长专辑"h.IV+"（Hoarse Industrial Viremia）。2017年，...and Oceans重组，新主唱Mathias Lillmåns的加入为乐队的人声演绎增添了独特而狂暴的色彩。2025年5月23日，...and Oceans带着他们最新的专辑"The Regeneration Itinerary"回到大众视野。这是2017年乐队重组以来的第三张专辑。这张以Black Metal为底色却又挑战性地加入了许多不同元素的专辑再次刷新了...and Oceans的音乐语言。距离乐队成立已经过去了30年，在不断变化的阵容和风格中，...and Oceans始终忠于自我，在芬兰金属独有的悲怆底色上大胆地融合工业，电子，旋律金属的元素。在新专辑发行后，杂志与...and Oceans乐队取得了联系并进行了这次专访。

（V: 代表笔者 T代表...and Oceans创始吉他手Timo Kontio，M代表...and Oceans主唱Mathias Lillmåns）

Today we have the pleasure of interviewing ...and Oceans, a Symphonic Black Metal band from Finland. Formed in 1996, ...and Oceans has been experimenting with blending diverse elements into black metal since its inception. Their 2001 album A.M.G.O.D. marked the beginning of their incorporation of electronic elements, crafting a sound uniquely their own. In 2005, ...and Oceans disbanded, with members regrouping under the name Havoc Unit and releasing their sole full-length album, h.IV+ (Hoarse Industrial Viremia), in 2008. The band reunited in 2017, with new vocalist Mathias Lillmåns adding a distinct and ferocious edge to their vocal delivery. On May 23, 2025, ...and Oceans returned to the spotlight with their latest album, The Regeneration Itinerary—their third since reuniting. This album, rooted in black metal yet daringly infused with diverse influences, once again redefines ...and Oceans' musical language. Thirty years since their formation, through shifting lineups and evolving styles, ...and Oceans has remained true to itself, boldly merging industrial, electronic, and melodic metal elements atop the characteristically melancholic foundation of Finnish metal. Following the release of their new album, our magazine reached out to ...and Oceans for this exclusive interview.

(V: represents the author T represents Timo Kontio, founding guitarist of. and Oceans, represented by M Mathias Lillm å ns, lead singer of. and Oceans）

采访对象：Timo Kontio，Mathias Lillmåns（...and Oceans乐队吉他 / 歌手）

采访时间：2025.07.01

V: 你好Timo Kontio！首先非常感谢...and Oceans抽出时间参加这次采访，向乐队的所有人问好！

Hei Timo Kontio! First of all, thank you very much for taking the time to participate in this interview. Greetings to everyone in the band!

T: 感谢你们的采访！

Thank you for this interview!

V: 不久前你们刚刚发行了最新一张专辑"The Regeneration Itinerary"。这是一张非常精彩，听感丰富的专辑，除了传统的Black Metal元素之外，这张专辑里还有许多其他流派的元素，比如电子乐的元素。可以说说你们为什么坚持在...and Oceans的音乐中加入电子元素吗？

Not long ago, you released your latest album, “The Regeneration Itinerary”. It is a very fantastic album with a rich sound. In addition to traditional black metal elements, this album also incorporates elements from many other genres, such as electronic music. Could you tell us why you insist on incorporating electronic elements into ...and Oceans' music?

T: 听到你喜欢这张专辑我很高兴。其实，尝试不同的音乐风格一直是我们乐队的特色。我们之前已经发行了两张几乎没有任何实验性元素的专辑。所以也许是时候尝试一些不同的东西了。尝试不同的音乐风格并不是我们必须去做的事情，但很多时候这些实验性的想法都来自我们的键盘手，他非常热衷于电子音乐和合成器浪潮等风格。所以大多数时候，是由他创作这些电子音乐，然后我们看看是否真的能用得上。这些音乐最初只用键盘演奏时，可能听起来与…And Oceans的世界格格不入，但加入我的吉他，然后逐步添加其他元素后，突然间一切都变得有联系了。

Nice to hear you liked it. Well, trying different things in our music is kind of our thing. We already did two albums with basically no experiments whatsoever. So maybe it was time to do something different. Doing different things is not something we need to do per se, but quite often these experiments come from our keyboard player who is heavily into electronic stuff and also synthwave etc. So most of the time he comes up with these electronic songs and then we see if we can really use them or not. Originally only with a keyboard they may sound as if they would not fit into the …And Oceans world, but after adding my guitars and then piece by piece other elements, all of a sudden they start to make sense.

V: 在新专辑的第一首歌曲"Inertiae"中，首先是传统的Black Metal旋律，然后，歌曲在各种乐器变化中转向了电子的节拍，对于没有听过...and Oceans的乐迷来说，这两种元素的结合听起来非常不可思议。但在你们的音乐中这二者的结合非常流畅和谐，可以请你讲讲在你们的创作过程中，你认为把Black Metal和电子元素相结合最大的难点是什么？在融合不同音乐元素的过程中你们最看重的是哪些方面？

In the first track of the new album, “Inertiae,” the song begins with traditional black metal melodies, then transitions into electronic beats through various instrumental changes. For those unfamiliar with... .and Oceans, the combination of these two elements sounds incredibly unconventional. However, in your music, the fusion of these two styles flows seamlessly and harmoniously. Could you share your thoughts on the greatest challenges you faced in blending black metal and electronic elements during the writing process? What aspects do you prioritize most when integrating different musical elements?

T: 这个问题在我的上一个回答中已经提到了部分。这首"Inertiae"是Antti用键盘创作的曲目，然后我加上了吉他部分。是的，如果你去掉中间的电子部分，这首歌基本上就是正常的Black Metal风格。不过奇怪的是，这些实验性元素并不是很难融入我们的歌曲中。也许Antti会有不同的看法，但很可能不会。我认为这些元素是自然而然产生的。当然，它们确实让其他成员感到有些惊讶，但一旦度过最初的震惊，哈哈，它们就会在你的音乐里生根发芽。尤其是对我来说，当我用吉他来支撑所有的键盘部分时。当然，这些电子部分和我们的“正常”Black Metal元素完全不同，人们可能会好奇它们如何融合。至少对我们来说，它们为…And Oceans的整个音乐光谱增添了新的维度。当然，重要的是不要在实验上过于疯狂。

Kind of discussed this already in my last answer. This Inertiae is one of the tracks Antti made with keyboards and I added guitars. Yes, if you take that middle electronic part away, this is more or less normal bm stuff. Though strangely enough these experimental stuff is not something that has been hard to add to our songs. Maybe Antti would have a different opinion or not, but most likely not. I assume they come quite naturally. Sure they have aroused some eyebrows for the rest of the guys, but when you get past the first shock, haha, they grow into you. Especially for me after I get the guitars to support all of the keyboard stuff. Of course these electronic parts and our ‘normal’ bm stuff is totally different and one might wonder how they will mix together. Well at least for us they bring a new aspect to this whole musical spectre of …And Oceans. It is important not to go too crazy with the experiments, sure.

V: 你们的新专辑中有像"The Form and the Formless"这样比较激进的歌曲，也有合成器和电子元素占比较多的歌曲，不过在整张专辑中，你们吧Black Metal，交响乐，电子乐和工业金属的元素都平衡得非常好。我想问问在创作中你们是如何把握这些元素的平衡的？

Your new album has songs like “The Form and the Formless,” which are more aggressive, as well as tracks with a higher proportion of synthesizers and electronic elements. However, throughout the entire album, you have balanced the elements of black metal, symphonic metal, electronic music, and industrial metal very well. I would like to ask how you managed to achieve this balance in your creative process?

T: 这是我们不太会去刻意考虑的事情，因为这种平衡感会自然而然地形成。或许是因为我们乐队有六个人，每个人都有不同的音乐背景和经历，接触过许多不同风格的音乐和乐队。在创作过程中，我们已经进行了大量的筛选。如果有什么东西不符合整体的构想，它可能会被舍弃，而最终产品中保留下来的东西，可以说是一种平衡的结果。

This is something we don’t think about that much after this balance comes quite naturally. Or maybe it is because we are six in the band and have different musical history and experience of many different genres and bands. We filter quite a lot in the creative process already. If there is something that is not really fitting in the big picture it might and will be dropped and the stuff which will be in the final product most likely is one could call balanced outcome.

V: 新专辑中的第二首歌曲叫做"Förnyelse i tre akter"，这是一首气势恢宏的的瑞典语的歌曲，我很喜欢这首歌的vocal表演，虽然我听不懂这首歌的歌词。可以请你说说这首歌的歌词大概是什么内容吗？为什么选择在专辑中创作一首瑞典语的歌曲呢？

The second song on the new album is called “Förnyelse i tre akter.” It's a grand Swedish-language song, and I really like the vocal performance, even though I don't understand the lyrics. Could you tell me what the lyrics are about? Why did you choose to write a Swedish song in Swedish for the album?

M: ...and Oceans来自芬兰的一个地区，那里以瑞典语为主要语言，我们的首张专辑大部分也是用瑞典语创作的。我也是芬兰瑞典人，这意味着我的母语是瑞典语。有时歌曲会以某种方式呈现，在我看来，瑞典语就是更适合这种风格。这首歌某种程度上概括了专辑的主题，但它是从一个戏剧演员的视角创作的，他改变了自己的视角。这种变化是渐进的，分为三个阶段。

...and Oceans hail from a part of Finland where Swedish is spoken in majority and our first album was mostly written in Swedish. I am also a Fenno-Swede, which means my mother tongue is Swedish. Sometimes songs sound in a certain way that Swedish, in my opinion, just works better. This track sort of sums up the theme of the album in a way, but is written from the perspective of a theater actor who changes his perspective. Change comes gradually, in three acts.

V: 新专辑的许多歌词都与生命，自然物质以及宇宙的循环有关，...and Oceans非常擅长用深入浅出的方式描述你们对于世界的理解。我想问问给新专辑取名"The Regeneration Itinerary"的初衷是什么？你们创作歌词的灵感通常都来自哪里？

Many of the lyrics on the new album are related to life, natural substances, and the cycle of the universe, ...and Oceans is very good at describing your understanding of the world in a simple and easy-to-understand way. I would like to ask what was the original intention behind naming the new album “The Regeneration Itinerary”? Where do you usually get your inspiration for writing lyrics?

M: 这张专辑对我来说，可以说是一次灵光乍现的创作。我一直尽量避免在创作时过于个人化，但这张专辑是个例外。它在某种程度上是一本日记，同时也是一本指引你走向精神觉醒或重生的指南。专辑中的所有内容都源于我过去2到3年间的研究或亲身经历。那段时光确实既沉重又充满趣味。

This was an album that just came to me, in a way. I have tried to keep away from being too personal when I write, but this album is an exception. It is in some aspects a kind of diary, but also a guidebook on your path to spiritual enlightenment, or rebirth. Everything in it comes from me doing research or things that I have experienced during the last 2-3 years. It has been some heavy, but interesting years, for sure.

V: 新专辑的发行距离你们上一张专辑"As in Gardens, So in Tombs"的发行大概隔了两年，这算是非常快的发行速度了。我想问问"The Regeneration Itinerary"这张专辑的创作是从什么时候开始的，你们创作歌曲的流程是怎样的？

The release of your new album comes approximately two years after your previous album, “As in Gardens, So in Tombs”, which is a relatively fast release pace. I would like to ask when the writing of “The Regeneration Itinerary” began, and what your songwriting process entails.

T: 我们其实并没有真正意义上开始制作专辑的节点，但我们基本上一直在创作。当然，到了某个阶段我们会说，不再为即将发布的专辑创作新歌，而是应该专注于打磨现有作品，但即便如此，我们（负责创作音乐的人）仍然会不断尝试新东西。这三张回归专辑基本上都是以相同的方式完成的。Antti、Teemu和我创作新作品。然后我们通常会将吉他段落和创意整理成完整的歌曲，并用鼓机等设备制作demo版本。随后我们会将这些作品呈现给其他成员。每个人都可以对作品和编曲提出意见。有时我们会修改吉他段落、添加段落或调整编曲。之后我们会带着这些作品在排练室与全乐队一起排练。如有需要，我们会进行最终修改。歌词通常在这个阶段已经完成，它们也会影响编曲，或者至少影响某些部分的重复次数。

We don’t really start writing albums so to speak, but we more or less write all the time. Of course at some point we say, no more new songs to the upcoming album and we should concentrate on fine tuning the existing ones, but even then we (who writes music) do new stuff all the time. All these three comeback albums are done more or less the same way. Antti, Teemu and I write new stuff. Then we normally arrange the riffs and ideas to a full song and make a demo version of it with a drum machine etc. Then we present them to the rest of the guys. Everyone can comment on the stuff and arrangement. Sometimes we change the riffs, add riffs or change arrangements. Then at some point we go through these at the rehearsal place with the whole band. If needed we do some final changes. Lyrics are quite often ready at this point and they can affect on the arrangements as well or at least how many times some parts are repeated.

V: "The Regeneration Itinerary"的专辑封面由Season Of Mist的graphic designer Adrien Bousson设计。这张专辑的封面非常华丽精美，我觉得也很好地契合了专辑的音乐以及歌词。我想请问你们和Adrien是如何合作的？你们有给他什么关键词或者草稿来描述你们想要什么样的封面吗？

The album cover for “The Regeneration Itinerary” was designed by Adrien Bousson, he’s a graphic designer at Season Of Mist. The cover is very beautiful and elaborate, and I think it fits the music and lyrics of the album very well. I would like to ask how you worked with Adrien. Did you give him any keywords or drafts to describe what kind of cover you wanted?

M: 没错，制作封面的流程就是这样的！当开始着手制作新专辑封面时，我再次联系了他。那时我已经完成了大约五首歌词并对整体构思有了大致的设想。我将这些歌词连同概念描述一并发送给他。还特别提到歌词中会提到大量不同金属，且整张专辑贯穿了炼金术的隐喻。随后我们来回沟通了几周，他最终发来一个早期草稿让我们看看他的构思！说实话，我们简直惊呆了！

Yes, that’s exactly how it worked! I contacted him again when it was time to start working on the new cover. I had something like five lyrics done by then and an idea what the big picture would be like. I sent him these lyrics along with a description of the concept. Also added that there will be a lot of different metals mentioned in the lyrics and that there are alchemical parallels throughout the album. We then talked back and forth for some weeks and he sent an early draft for us to see what he had in mind! We were blown away, to say the least!

V: 在2005年，你们创立了Havoc Unit，请问从...and Oceans更名为Havoc Unit的初衷是什么呢？在Havoc Unit期间你是怎么看待...and Oceans和Havoc Unit之间的关系的？

In 2005, you founded Havoc Unit. What was the reason behind changing the name from ...and Oceans to Havoc Unit? How did you view the relationship between ...and Oceans and Havoc Unit during your time with Havoc Unit?

T: 我们的音乐风格在那时发生了很大变化，而…And Oceans乐队的成员并非所有人都希望继续参与Havoc Unit项目，因此这种转变是顺理成章的。这么说吧，…And Oceans在Havoc Unit项目启动时解散，所以当…And Oceans重启时另一个乐队也就此画上句号。

Our music style changed quite a lot then and not all of …And Oceans members wanted to continue with Havoc Unit so it was quite natural. Well, …And Oceans ended when Havoc Unit started so that was that with …And Oceans.

V: 2019年，新主唱Mathias Lillmåns加入了...and Oceans，"The Regeneration Itinerary"应该是Mathias参与的第三张...and Oceans全长专辑，对吗？我想问问你觉得Mathias的加入给乐队带来了哪些新的东西？和前主唱Kena Strömsholm相比，你认为Mathias与他的演唱风格最大的区别在哪里？

In 2019, new lead singer Mathias Lillmåns joined ...and Oceans. The Regeneration Itinerary should be Mathias' third full-length album with ...and Oceans, right? I'd like to ask you what new things you think Mathias has brought to the band. Compared to former lead singer Kena Strömsholm, what do you think is the biggest difference between Mathias and his singing style?

T: 是的，这是Mathias的第三张专辑。他为这支乐队带来了许多东西。专业性、音乐性、演唱风格的多样性（即不同的声乐风格）、声乐处理和编排的新思路，以及舞台之外的许多其他精彩之处。他是一位出色的主唱并且在媒体宣传方面，他会自己处理或者与我以及Pyry（…And Oceans贝斯手）一起处理。最大的不同或许在于音乐性。Mathias非常懂音乐，熟悉音乐理论等知识。

Yes, this is the third album for Mathias. He has brought several things to this band. Professionality, musicality, variation in singing meaning different vocal styles, new ideas of doing and arranging vocals and also a lot more great things off the stage. He is a great front man and he handles a lot of media/promo things on his own or with me and with Pyry. Biggest difference is maybe musicality. Mathias is really musical and knows music theory etc.

V: 你认为...and Oceans和芬兰其他的金属乐队最大的不同是什么?作为伴随乐队30年的创始成员,你如何定...and Oceans的风格?

What do you think is the biggest difference between ...and Oceans and other metal bands in Finland? As a founding member who has been with the band for 30 years, how would you define ...and Oceans' style?

T: 芬兰这里还有不少90年代初成立的Black Metal乐队。我认为这些乐队大多独具特色，拥有自己的音乐风格。我们的乐队也以某种方式独树一帜，因为我们敢于尝试不同风格，甚至一些疯狂的点子。这可能是最大的区别，因为其他大多数黑金属乐队更倾向于坚持原始的Black Metal风格，而不愿尝试其他风格。当然，这种坚持值得尊重，但我们也正在研究其他方面。定义自己的风格并不容易，而且往往是我们不喜欢做的事情。我明白这有助于让人们了解我们的风格，因此我们经常被称为交响黑金属乐队。我们也使用这个标签。Melodic Metal和Industrial Metal也是常与我们关联的标签。最近甚至有人提到我们具有Progressive风格。

We have quite a few of those bm bands still around which started during the 90’s. I think most of these bands are unique and have their own sound. I think our band is also unique in a way that we are not afraid to experiment with different styles and even crazy ideas. That might be the biggest difference since most of the other bm bands are more like sticking to the raw bm style only and not experimenting outside of it. That is respected of course, but we are doing something else. Defining our own style is not really easy and often something that we don’t like to do. I understand that it helps to give people an idea what to expect so quite often we are called symphonic bm. We use that too. Melodic and industrial is also something often mentioned with us. Even progressive recently.

V: 你认为迄今为止，你达成的最大的成就是什么（可以是生活中的任何事情任何方面），如果没有做音乐，你觉得你现在会从事什么职业？

What do you consider to be your greatest achievement to date (it can be anything in any aspect of your life)? If you weren't involved in music, what career do you think you would be pursuing now?

T: 拥有一个幸福美满的家庭，两个优秀的孩子如今都已长大成人——这大概是我人生中最值得骄傲的成就。虽然音乐如今占据了我不少时间，但它并非我的职业。我的本职工作是自动化工程师。

Having a family with two wonderful kids who are adults already. That must be one of the most important achievements for me. Music is not a career for me even if it takes a lot of time nowadays. I have a day job as an automation engineer.

V: ...and Oceans接下来是否有巡演的计划？如果有机会的话是否在近期考虑到亚洲进行演出？

...and Oceans, do you have any plans for a tour? If so, are you considering performing in Asia in the near future?

T: 我们原计划在欧洲巡演，本来还预定了几场日本演出，连机票之类的东西都订好了，结果疫情打乱了所有安排。现在我们正努力重新协调档期，争取明年能补上这些演出。如果能在亚洲地区多安排几场当然更好，不过还是要看具体情况。当然，只要有主办方邀请，我们也非常乐意去远东地区演出。希望不久的将来就能实现这些计划。

We have a tour planned in Europe. We should have had a few gigs in Japan and had flight tickets booked already etc. but covid happened. Now we try to fix those dates again next year. It would make sense to have more gigs around there, but we will see what happens. Of course we are open to do gigs in the far east if promoters want us there. So hopefully we will have possibilities in the near future.

V: 非常感谢...and Oceans接受这次采访！...and Oceans是一支非常独特的芬兰金属乐队，我会继续关注你们的音乐，希望未来有机会可以在中国看到你们的演出！666！

Timo Kontio, thank you very much for taking time for this interview! ...and Oceans is a very unique Finnish metal band, and I will continue to follow your news and music. I hope to have the opportunity to see you perform in China in the future! 666!

T: 感谢这次采访，我们非常希望有机会去那里演出！！

Thank you for this interview and we sure hope to have the chance to play there!!