反精神叛乱 - 挪威Black Metal乐队Kaaboos专访

今天采访的乐队是来自挪威的Kaaboos。乐队由Atash于2020年成立于挪威，并于2022年发行了首张EP"Leviathan"。2024年，乐队发行了首张专辑"Anti-Cosmic Rebellion"，让我印象深刻的就是这张专辑里面及其激烈而凶猛的riff，完美诠释了黑金属的最原始的感觉。同时，Atash目前的情况并不乐观。本次杂志联系到了Atash并为他做一次专访

（V: 代表笔者 A: 代表Atash）

Today's interview is with Kaaboos, a Norwegian band formed by Atash in 2020 and released their debut EP “Leviathan” in 2022. 2024 saw the release of their debut album “Anti-Cosmic Rebellion”, which impressed me with its intense and ferocious riffs, perfectly illustrating the rawness of black metal. riffs, which perfectly illustrate the most primitive feeling of black metal. Meanwhile, things are not looking good for Atash at the moment. The magazine contacted Atash for an interview.

(V: for the author A: for Atash)

采访对象：Atash（Kaaboos乐队创始人）

采访时间：2025.04.08

V: 你好Atash谢谢你接受这次采访。你们是一支来自伊朗的新乐队。那么你能把你们的乐队介绍给中国的黑金属乐迷吗？这支乐队是什么时候组建的，你为什么想开始做这些音乐呢？

Hello, Atash! Thank you for accepting this interview. You are a new-born band from Iran. So, could you introduce your band to Chinese black metal fans? When was this band formed and why do you want to play this music?

A: 你好，非常感谢您给我这次采访机会！Kaaboos是一支个人Black Metal项目，我于2022年5月在挪威的桑德峡湾开始了音乐旅程。在音乐上它展示了我作为一名自学成才的音乐家的创作工作和经历，这条道路始于2019年初，我对打鼓的热情以及随之而来的灵感。这是我第一次亲身体验到演奏时个人所能感受到的感受、思想和情感，而不仅仅是演奏乐器。我多年来一直在听的音乐的一个新鲜的方面和视角开始在我身上形成，而Kaaboos成为表达我对它的这些个人经历的一部分。Kaaboos的主题是对我们生活的世界的看法以及反宗教的意识形态。在"Anti-Cosmic Rebellion"这张专辑中，它强调针对伊斯兰教，专辑的部分内容是对这种压迫性宗教的威胁。特别是在我的祖国伊朗的政权中，这些“神圣的象征”是如何被代表和提及的。

Hello, thank you for having this interview with me! Kaaboos is a solo Black Metal band that began its journey during May 2022 in Sandefjord, Norway. Musically, it presented the collective work and experiences I have had as a self-taught musician, a path that began in the beginning of 2019 with my passion for playing the drums and the inspirations that came with it. It was really the first time that I got to experience for myself the feelings, thoughts and emotions it can invoke in an individual when playing, and that it isn’t just about performing on an instrument. A fresh side and perspective of the music I have been listening to for years prior to started taking shape in me, and Kaaboos came to be the part that expresses these personal experiences I have had with it. The theme of Kaaboos is of views on the world we live in, and anti-religious ideologies. In Anti-Cosmic Rebellion it was to emphasize targeting Islam, and parts of the album was to be served as a threat against this oppressive religion. Especially with how such “divine symbols” are represented and referred to within the regime of my home country, Iran.

V: 你发行了你的全长专辑“Anti-Cosmic Rebellion”，他们很尖锐并很有攻击性。让人印象深刻的是你原始而复杂的Riff。你认为你的工作怎么样？你是如何记录你的材料的？

You released your Full-length album “Anti-Cosmic Rebellion”, which is fierce and attacking. What makes it impressive is your raw but complicated riffs. What do you think of your work? And how do you record your materials?

A: “Anti-Cosmic Rebellion”是Kaaboos的垫脚石。这张专辑的某些部分是纯粹的实验的结果，这正是我现在处理它的方式，也是我将如何指导它的声音。我之前提到过Kaaboos的首张专辑应该在这之前一两年发行，但我的作曲和方法已经采取了新的方向，成为《“Anti-Cosmic Rebellion”。但毕竟这都是对思想和信仰的描绘，当然是以艺术的方式，这是我能从自己身上带出来的最诚实的一张专辑。我不想审查我要说的话，也不想追求打造一张“完美”的专辑，这是Kaaboos属于这一类型的原因。我在家里录了所有的吉他，只有人声是在录音室里完成的。至少“Anti-Cosmic Rebellion”和我录制的每一张Demo都是这样的。

Anti-Cosmic Rebellion is the appropriate steppingstone for Kaaboos. There are parts of the album that came as a result of just pure experimentation, and this is exactly what highlighted the way I approach it now, also how I will direct its sound onwards. I’ve mentioned before that the debut album for Kaaboos was supposed to be released about a year or two before this, but my composition and approach was already taking a new direction which became Anti-Cosmic Rebelion. But after all, it is all a portrayal of thoughts and beliefs, in an artistic manner of course, and that it is as honest of an album that I can bring out of myself. I don’t want to censor what I have to say or to be in the pursuit of constructing a “perfect” album, and there are reasons to why this is the genre that Kaaboos is under. I record all the guitars at home, it is only the vocals that are done in a studio. Or at least this is how it was for Anti-Cosmic Rebellion and every demo I record.

V: 你是一个个人项目，你可以写你想要的音乐。你能和我们分享一下你的创作过程吗

You are a personal project, and you can write your music what you want. Could you share your composing process to us?

A: 我通常会从即兴创作开始，直到出现一个我想要的Riff或者我觉得它在营造自己的氛围。在这种氛围下，我沿着同样的路径写了更多的即兴片段，直到我得到了我能得到的一切。然后我会写下鼓的样式，它是歌曲结构的支柱。我很少坐下来打算写一首歌，尽管我有时得到了很好的结果。但它主要发生在我内心深处的某些东西自然地反映在我演奏的即兴部分时。一首器乐歌曲应该能够描绘出它自己的东西，而不是一开始仅仅依赖于歌词。我让歌曲表达自己并基于这一点和其他因素考虑，歌词是为这首歌写的。

It usually starts with improvisation, until a riff comes up that is of a certain sound, or again, I feel is setting place its own atmosphere. Within that atmosphere I write more of the riffs along the same path until I get everything I can out of it. Then the drum patterns are written in a way that it serves as the pillars of the songs structure. Quite rarely I sit down with the intent to write a song, although I have gotten great results out of this. But it mainly happens when in the moment I have something in me that naturally gets reflected on a riff I’m playing. An instrumental song should be able to portray something of its own, and it isn’t at first solely reliant on the lyrics. I let the song express itself, and based on that and other factors in consideration, the lyrics is written for the track.

V: 我发现你和你的国家进行抗争是因为缺乏自由。似乎有些不好的事情正在发生。你能给我讲讲吗？

I found that you are fighting with your country because of the lack of freedom. And it seems that something bad is happening. So, could you tell me something about that?

A: 伊朗正被伊斯兰共和国政权统治。伊斯兰教本身就是一个非常压迫和严格的宗教。当我现在想到它的时候，就像我对大多数其他宗教的看法一样，但更严重的是，它让人们成为终身的奴隶。伊朗政权几乎把一切都建立在他们自己的基础上。调整、强制意识形态和法律限制以及包括死刑在内的严厉的不道德惩罚。就在首张EP"Leviathan"于2022年5月发行后，一个为政府工作的组织注意到了我，把我在伊朗的完整地址发给了我并威胁要夺走我的生命或伤害我的家人。我们经常听到类似的故事，但亲自面对它简直是一种可怕的经历。从象征意义上说，Kaaboos的诞生似乎已经变成了一场真正的“噩梦”。我不得不在挪威申请庇护，这一切发生的时候我就住在那里，现在也是。在我的生命受到威胁的情况下，挪威拒绝了我，他们正试图把我扔回伊朗。我不确定即使是他们也能想象它会导致什么结果。这改变了我对我们所处世界的看法。现在在伊朗发生的一切都是我关心的，为了我们人民的安全和理智，为了我自己成为攻击目标，处于被驱逐出境的边缘。

Iran is being ruled over by the Islamic Republic regime. Islam alone is a very oppressive and strict religion. When I think about it now, just like how I see it with most other religions but more severe, is that it creates a lifelong slave out of people. And the regime in Iran bases almost everything on this, with their own adjustments, forced ideologies and legal restrictions with intense immoral punishments, including death. I was noticed by a group that works for the government right after the release of Leviathan in May 2022, sending me my full address in Iran and threatening to take my life or hurt my family. We hear about similar stories more than often, but to be faced with it personally is nothing short of a terrifying experience. Symbolically, it seemed that the birth of Kaaboos had turned into a real “Nightmare”. I had to apply for asylum in Norway, where I was residing when all of this happened, and still am. In the midst of the dangers against my life involved in this, I was denied by Norway, and they are trying to throw me out back to Iran. An event which I’m not sure even they are able imagine what it would result in. This changed my perspective on how I see the world we’re in. Everything that is happening in Iran right now is of my concern, for the sake of our people's safety and sanity, and myself being targeted and on the verge of deportation.

V: 那么你想在你的歌词中表达什么？你的音乐主题是什么？为什么选择这些主题？

So what do you want to express in your lyric? What are your musical themes and why do you choose these themes?

A: 歌词大多是关于黑暗、撒旦崇拜和世界毁灭的事件。与反宇宙叛乱有反宗教的话题讨论，一些主要针对伊斯兰教，比如“Qasam Be Shaytan”和Al-Fatihah这些歌，这是“古兰经”的第一章，但是是颠倒的。与专辑的其他部分相比"hypnoized"有自己的主题，主要基于对死亡的无神论和自然主义的看法。抛开这些话题中的哲学因素不谈，这也是我个人着迷的主题，考虑到我在伊朗的成长经历，我可以与之联系并有很多话要说。人们总能从中找到一种有价值的知识或观点。

The lyrics are mostly of darkness, Satanism and events of the world’s destruction. With Anti-Cosmic rebellion there are anti-religious topics discussed, some mainly to target Islam like Qasam Be Shaytan, and Al-Fatihah (The Beginning) which is the first Surah of the Quran but inverted. And Mesmerized is of its own theme compared to the rest of the album, mainly based around an atheistic and somewhat naturalistic perspective on death. Regardless of the philosophical factors within these topics, this is also a subject of fascination for me personally and of which I can relate to and have a lot to say within, considering my upbringing experiences in Iran. One can always find a sort of valuable knowledge or perspective in it.

V: 你的音乐让我想起了一些乐队比如Behexen。你们都是原始而凶猛的。有没有什么乐队是你非常喜欢的或者对你的作品有影响的？你最喜欢的乐队是什么？

Your music reminds me of some bands, like Behexen. You are both raw and fierce. So, is there any bands that you very like or that influence your work? What is your favorite bands?

A: 很难明确指出我的灵感来自哪里，因为它可能来自许多不同的乐队甚至是与音乐无关的东西，至少不是直接相关的。我所经历、看到或思考的许多事情最终都会反映在音乐上。无论是音乐本身，一部特定的电影，其他形式的艺术，对世界的想法和看法，甚至是我喜欢参观的有历史的地方或我喜欢的森林的一部分。我听的乐队有时是不确定的。但像Aura Noir， Taake, Dissection， Mayhem和Watain这样的乐队只是我回顾的众多乐队中的一部分。这样的例子不胜枚举。其中，Ruïm的Blasphemer是我从音乐中获得很多灵感的吉他手。我喜欢听他写歌的大多数专辑。特别是第一次听到像Ruïm的Black Royal Spiritism这样新鲜而充满活力的专辑，它立即为我最喜欢的唱片之一保留了一个位置。在那张唱片中有一种有点老派的方式，带有一种现代的声音，从一开始就引起了我的兴趣。我强烈建议黑金属的粉丝们去看看，如果还没有听过的话。

It’s difficult to specifically point out where my inspirations come from because it can be from many different bands, or even things that aren’t related to music, at least not directly. Many things that I experience, see or think can ultimately have a reflection on the music. Whether it’s music itself, a specific movie, other forms of art, thoughts and opinions on the world, or even places I like to visit around which has history or parts of the woods I like to be in. The bands that I listen to can sometimes depend. But bands like Aura Noir, Taake, Dissection, Mayhem and Watain are just among some of the many bands I go back to. The list could go on. Among all of them, Ruïm “Blasphemer” is the guitarist that I guess I get quite a lot of inspiration from within music. I enjoy listening to most albums he has done the songwriting for. Especially hearing a fresh and dynamical album like Ruïm’s Black Royal Spiritism in its entirety for the first time, which instantly reserved a spot for one of my favorite records. There is a somewhat old-school like approach with a modern sound in that record that caught my interest from the very first moment. I highly recommend the Black Metal fans to check it out if they haven’t.

V: 你今年有什么计划吗？

Do you have any plans in this year?

A: 首先也是最重要的是，在这片我再也没有权利的土地上保持安全，我担心自己会被赶出去，面对可能导致我旅程结束的事情。而可能会成为下一张Kaaboos专辑的内容目前正在制作中。时间一到我们就会宣布，也许在那之前我们会有一些现场演出。

First and foremost, to stay safe in a land where I have no rights in anymore and that I fear I could get thrown out of to face what could possibly lead to the end of my journey. And what might potentially result in becoming the next Kaaboos album is under work at the moment. It shall be announced whenever the time for it comes, perhaps we will be able to have a few live shows before that.

V: 在采访的最后，你有什么想对中国黑金属乐迷说的吗？

In the last of the interview, do you want to say something to Chinese black metal music fans?

A: 谢谢你观看这次采访。能够看到我们所处的现实，承认并理解我们的世界正在经历的一切，这是至关重要的（尤其是在当今世界）。我只是想知道为什么我们仍然在与自由斗争（特别是言论自由），为什么像伊朗这样的政权可以掌权。但我能想到的是，某些事情似乎并没有朝着正确的方向发展，我们最终会走向何方只是时间问题。我们的首张专辑"Anti-Cosmic Rebellion"可以在Kaaboos的Spotify和Bandcamp上买到，也可以通过“Iblis”在YouTube上买到，你也可以在Instagram @kaaboos.atash上关注我的个人资料

干杯!

Cheers!

-Atash

Thank you for tuning into this interview. It is crucial (in today’s world especially) to be able to see the reality we are in, and to acknowledge and understand everything that our world is going through. I can only wonder why we still struggle with freedom (of speech specifically) and why a regime like in Iran could step in place. But what I can think of is that certain things don’t seem to be going towards the right direction, and it’s only a matter of time for us to see where we end up. Our debut album Anti-Cosmic Rebellion is available on Kaaboos’ Spotify and Bandcamp, and YouTube via “Iblis Manifestations”, and you can also follow up with my profile on Instagram @kaaboos.atash

Kaaboos乐队主要作品：

Kaaboos - Leviathan（2022）

Kaaboos - Anti-Cosmic Rebellion（2024）

Kaaboos乐队官方Bandcamp网站：https://kaaboos.bandcamp.com/

Kaaboos乐队官方Facebook网站：https://www.facebook.com/Kaaboos-109847111725704

Kaaboos乐队官方Instagram网站：https://www.instagram.com/kaaboos.atash/